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SC/Rambler Restoration Help

Paint Schemes A & B

The most common and recognized paint is the A scheme with it's bold red sides and blue arrow running the length of the car. The B scheme was slightly more sedate, with the red and blue stripe on the bottom portion of the car and no stripes on the hood, roof or trunk. Both Paint schemes are equally valued and there is no reason that an A scheme might be worth more or less than a B scheme, only personal preference is a deciding factor. There are many opinions out there, but the registry would like to reassure anyone wondering, neither paint scheme is more highly valued than the other.

Among these opinions, usually expressed by purists are how these stripes were done by the factory (Dictionary definition of a purist: “Someone who is very careful or too careful about purity or correctness”. Question not the puritanical motivation!). In the interest of restoration, the registry has been researching for many years and has found numerous variations of how they have been replicated. We would hope that anyone judging your car at a show or just admiring it in a parking lot would have an open mind as to how difficult it would be to restore an A or B scheme paint job when you consider the fact that these cars were very much hand finished by none other than fellow human beings, capable of having a bad day at work and not completing each car exactly the same as the next. It would be a great shame for our few remaining SC/Ramblers to be subject to quality control expectations that were not even present at the factory. And to turn that around, most of us wish to restore our cars to be in better condition than those original factory standards.

How many times have you heard stories that make you shake your head and wonder why people would be convinced to alter a completely original untouched car, only to conform to the standards of an independent committee and their own established rules and regulations for judging, within there own shows. The registry would like to point everyone out how little these committees have to do with the originality of your car as it was created almost 40 years ago. It’s probably safe to say, that the average Scrambler assembler was just a production worker doing their job and punching a time clock. The people that built the cars back in 1969, have long since moved on and any concrete data regarding uniformity may never exist.

We should never forget that the HURST SC/Rambler is a factory race car and was almost certainly altered the very same week it left the dealership, if not before it was put on the show room floor for sale. There are a number of reasons that one car might be slightly different from the next, just one reason could be warranty issues. Like all new cars, some of them don't roll of the assembly line in perfect condition or without issues, having corrective changes made within the first few weeks, months or years would make for a conflicting example when comparing cars believed to be untouched. But as we approach the 4o year age of these cars, can one really tell if the car has been like it is for 37 years or 38 years? and should we try to change them after all these years? We can all agree on one fact, they should all be saved.

The registry suggests when you are restoring a paint job, is to try and look at all the photos from our survivors list and take close looks at the car we have pictures of especially the ones that are original and untouched. They may not be the nicest ones to look at, but they should offer a far better basis for originality than a car which has already undergone a complete restoration. Do your research and be careful not to take the opinion of any individual who claims to have the all the answers, especially if they just happen to have the parts you need. Have you ever noticed that the so called purists are always the ones who just happen to have the right parts you need. It's safe to say that our SC/Ramblers are in as much danger of being incorrectly redone at the hand of few purists who are motivated by financial gain similar to the old school mentality of some vendors that have ruined the hobby in other makes of muscle cars. It is our goal here at the registry to see that this type of cattle herding does not destroy our remaining SC/Ramblers enjoy ability or resale value.

So to sum it all up for your restoration information help, as far as we can tell, looking at original cars and not restored ones, the strip kits were made of black vinyl and silk screen vinyl paint on top. If you ask anyone who has had their Sc/Rambler for many years they will tell you that when the paint on the strips starts to get thin, you will notice black blotches showing through. Now , we are not trying to knock any replacement stripe kits, as it is great that there is actually a range of options for our SC/Rambler owners to choose from, but for those who seek originality, a large portion of the strips that have been replicated, these stripes are the opposite of the factory originals, they seem have a blue vinyl base with a silk screen vinyl black stripe outlining the red or blue, depending on your scheme of course. The A cars for the majority of originals examined appear to have had a hand painted black pin stripe on the red sides but it is possible that some were completed by actual vinyl stripes, perhaps its as simple a reason as the guy with the steady hand may have been sick that day, and the next guy was more confident to use the roll of striping material. At this point it is still somewhat a mystery to those who seek the authentic truth. Examining the A cars with its bold red sides, one would assume, that the cars were all white to begin with and the then masked off to have the red inserts sprayed in. Now if you ask anyone who has done a complete restoration, they will tell you upon sanding through the white paint they have reveled that it appears as though the red was sprayed first, evident by the red over spray found under the white paint on the tops of fenders and under the car as well.

Again, being careful not to be steered in the wrong direction, I would hate to think that it was necessary to make the same mistakes the factory did to be accepted as correct by any affiliation. What the registry would like to express, is that optimistically, there might be 500 of these cars left in existence. To date we have documented only approx 250 actual surviving cars scattered throughout the world. Surely not enough to make them have to conform to any one way of thinking! These factory race cars were often repainted to match a racing teams’ logos and colors. In some cases it would be a great shame to remove that original racing history and turn them back in time to reflect the imperfect cars they were as they rolled off the show room floor. By some that could be seen as sacrilege considering they were initially intended for drag racing and that most of them were actually used in the line of duty as such.

How ever you decide to restore your Scrambler, you should be true to your individual wishes for the car and of course your restoration project must fit your life style or the car will become more of a burden that an source of enjoyment. Perhaps we can help direct your focus by suggesting that you ask yourself which category you fall into, PURIST or ENTHUSIAST. It would be very difficult to be both!, considering the few low mile originals that are left around and the purists who own them make up less than one percent of the cars left you might go crazy trying to play both sides of the game. The purists doing a concourse correct restoration today would have the hardest job, as there are no definitive answers as AMC did not keep good record for us to fall back on. The parts availability today also makes it almost impossible to determine what is actually NOS and what is actually just a vendor trying to put food on the table. The market for these parts is restricted to the number of cars left and the few enthusiasts who might choose to build a clone. So it’s easy to understand why you will find multiple versions of so called NOS parts. The restricted market almost guaranties that not all vendors can be completely sure of what they have or who actually manufactured the replacement part. With the obsolescence of Rambler parts, one should just be happy to have a new part in hand, because there is NOS (No Other Stuff)

The 1512 registry will never judge anyone on how their car is finished, we can only assist you in your research and help you to follow your dreams whether it is for your car to be 100% concourse correct, a good reliable driver you can be proud of, or maybe a race car to go and kick some muscle buttocks with, the registry respects each and every car and does not devalue any HURST SC/Rambler, no matter the condition. We respect all enthusiasts and all SC/Ramblers especially the ones out there on the street and race tracks where they were meant to be. No matter how you choose to finish your car, one thing will not change, you will still have the same rare piece of history and you shouldn't be judged by the depth of your commitment. It's your car. Do with it as you please! This registry will stand behind you all the way!

Below are a few pictures for you to ponder, shown are a set of NOS original stripes from a B scheme clearly showing what they would have looked like and how imperfect they really were!

These tubes are right from American Motors and clearly show the vintage as well as the original part numbers.

Carefully pealing the decal away from the protective backing you can see the black vinyl

Just looking at this one picture we can see the difference in width of the black strip on the top and the bottom of the colors are not the same, all this means is it is just an imperfection the application by the person who happened to be working on that day, nothing more and nothing less.

Notice the black strip on the trunk of this original un restored car that belongs to Jeff DeHaven . This is just one picture evidently indicating that the original strips were silk screened blue color on top of black vinyl and with years of washing the color has completely worn off and left nothing but the base black vinyl.

Wiring Diagram

AS shown in the American Motors Factory Technical Service Manual for 1969
These pages are well used, but they are still readable.
images provided by Joie Vaughan

Sun Tach

OEM Sun tach mounting instructions
The most know correct tach for a SC/Rambler is this red line, 8,000 rpm SUN tach - part# ST635, it is also very possible that these cars had the other Sun tack which had no red line - part # ST602. We cannot say for sure which tach your particular SCrambler would have had, but remember that these cars were often over ordered, and the availability of parts at the time of order would have determined which one it may have had. We do not know either way for sure, but if you have either tach, your mounting instructions would have been the same.

images provided by Mike Lewis

Original Magnum 500 style rims

The original wheels matched the color of the blue stripe. The rims would have been the same as the wheels they used on other AMC models, with one exception, they had a been painted over with blue. Now consider that the original wheels if you have ever seen them, are speckled and rough in texture.

The center caps, know as Volcano caps, were known to be different from the regular ones used on other AMC models. The difference is only slight and supports the same casting number found on the inside - 35860. This could have been for a number of reasons. One of which could have been different suppliers depending on the availability at the time the car was built. The noticeable difference was only the depth of the very center, one being 1/8 of an inch and the correct ones being 1/4 in deep.

 

Custom tear drop racing mirrors

image provided by registry member Matt Wilson    

Exhaust, Mufflers and chrome tip extensions

Original Muffler, photo & info provided by Mike Lewis.

THE ENDS OF THE MUFFLERS ARE 2.5 - 2.75 INCHES LONG AND THE CLAMPS USED ON THE SC/RAMBLER EXHAUST SYSTEM WERE THE MOPAR "ONE NUT" CLAMPS (A TOTAL OF 6 WERE USED - NOT USED ON THE CHROME TIPS) - THE PICS ARE OF ORIGINAL MUFFLERS AND PIPES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN OFF THE 35K MILE CAR
(NOT ONE NUT HAS BEEN REMOVED !)

SC/RAMBLER CHROME EXHAUST TIP : 3/32 CHROMED STEEL - 2 3/32 I.D. - 7 1/8 LONG - CLAMP : WITTEK MAG. CO. CHI. U.S.A. (SURE-TITE) 28 ---- CLAMP HAS A SPOT WELD AT THE BASE THAT ATTACHED IT TO TIP (DONE PRE CHROME APPLICATION) --- MOUNT SLITS ARE 1 1/4 LONG AND PLACED AT 12 O'CLOCK 1:30 5:30 7:30 10:30 (THE 12 O'CLOCK IS 1/4 INCH AND THE OTHERS ARE 1/8) --- EDGE OF THE CLAMP END IS BEVELED --- THE 12 OCLOCK SLIT (OR SLOT) WAS USED FOR AN INSTALLATION GUIDE. THE STOCK EXHAUST SYSTEM HAD A SLOT AND DIMPLE SYSTEM TO AID EXHAUST ALIGNMENT ON THE PRODUCTION LINE.


images provided by registry member Wade Linger

These are the same mufflers depicted in the original magazine ad. They are correct vintage, but your Scrambler may have come with the round ones rather than these wider ones, also note the exact measurements from the original images above.

 

Images provided by registry member Sterling Stump

Original 1969 Ads for Thrush mufflers.

 

 

Chrome tips,

seen here in these photos from a recent seller who had an NOS set for sale on ebay
 

 

 

Rear Torque Links

Wheel Lip Clearance

HURST RAMBLER - 363563

Paint code information

Paint codes provided by registry member Jim Mckee

PPG numbers

Bright White P-88

 

Bright Blue P-10

 

Bright Red P-9

 

Flat Black P-7

 

Charcoal Metallic 69-R-1

   

Ditzler numbers

Bright White 8810

 

Bright Blue 13936

 

Bright Red 7816

 

Flat Black DDL 71816

 

The restoration process can be a happy one!

Here's some advise to help you stick with your restoration decisions.
A restoration project should be a labor of love, that includes meeting great people and many degrees of enthusiasm. From the absolute concourse exhibits to the daily drivers, race cars and car show trailer queens, what ever you want to build, as a registry we can provide you with the community of people to assist with finding the parts and services you will need to do your restoration your way.

Too often people set too high of goals and projects that were started with excitement, can soon become a disappointment and a financial burden. Try not to allow unrealistic roll models to set the pace for you, establish what you want or need to build and just do it!

Don't be corralled into thinking there is only one way to do a restoration, this can be a very time consuming and financially over whelming time in your life. To expect every restoration to only have one definition is not realistic, we of course always strive to archive the best we can, but the all mighty dollar has always dictated the final out come from car to car and owner to owner. Take on only what you can handle in one shot and don't be afraid to contact our members for advise. Most our members have been down the very road you are on and would be glad to share their information from their own experiences.

The 1512 survivors list has links to each of the current owner of surviving Scrambler. Luckily most of our members have heads that still fit inside the car, so if you need advise on anything don't be afraid to ask. There are email links with each active members profile.

Be informed and be aware!

There will always be people who claim to have authentic parts and good replicas but until these people come forward and participate in our community, they will remain a mystery. It is not our intention to discredit any sources, but rather we would like to make the community aware of any and all available resources for parts and service. So we respectfully encourage everyone who has any parts , NOS, rebuilt, used, reproduced, remanufactured, replicated, copied, molded, or fabricated to come forward and share your information with our community.

Now what is meant by "Be Aware" Simply because of many times that buyers have become disappointment with people who are making lots of money from unknowing hobbyists. I am from Canada and our rule of thumb for buying parts was simple, if you found something, BUY IT! even if you didn't need it, just buy it, or you'll come to regret it! The obsolesce of these parts is what makes it possible for these type of sharks to go on sporadic feeding frenzies. Long time AMC fans and now collectors of the finest muscle cars are the ones who pay the final price.

This site has been on line since 2004 and to date no one and let me repeat, NO ONE, has come forward with any information that we can positively document by any means of providing proof of the authenticity of any factory correct parts currently being sold as NOS. There is many things to consider when assuming the use of any parts on these cars. Reality is, that these Scramblers were built in the last year of the Rambler model and it is possible for anything to have been substituted at any point in its making, parts were often substituted at the last minute and the dealers sometimes took great liberties when making sales. As with any manufacturer, things were not always as advertised and intended, we know this to be a truthful possibility because it is our human nature to do these things. Either way, if you own one of these rare cars, then you have something from a great era that will never depreciate in value!

 
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