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AMC/HURST SC/Rambler Factory Racecar - Verification Process
 
Part 1 - How to correctly identify a true HURST SC/Rambler

A proper SC/Rambler VIN should read as follows:

Make

Year

Transmission

Series

Body

Trim

Engine

Sequential Number

A

9

M

0

9

7

X

100001

Note* All SC/Ramblers have the letter M in the third digit and the letter X in the seventh digit of the serial number. If either of these digits are something else, there is a 99% chance it is not a true SC/Rambler. There are a few exceptions with prototypes cars. Check paperwork for errors because the vin on the dash is the one you need to go by.

All HURST SC/Ramblers are modified base model 1969 Rogue 2 door HT, 390 4 speed cars created for the purpose of drag racing.

VIN body location, left inside frame rail behind steering box. Tag location, top left corner dash.

First the Vin# on the paper work and the vin on the dash tag need to contain the correct information and they should match.

It is typical for the dash pad to hide the last 1 or 2 digits of the vin and you may need to have a closer look to get the whole number.

OK, so now we know that the paper work is for real, now lets check to see if the body is the real thing.

Next the most important thing you can do, is to remove the steering box from the sub frame. Behind the box you will find the letter X indicating a factory 390 car followed by the last 6 digits of your vin#, again this # should match your dash tag and registration papers! Take care during this process, the vin number and area of the should not be compromised in any way. Check the whole rail for signs of welding or grinding.

It is typical for the numbers not to be perfectly in line or even to see double stamped impressions. The numbers are large and usually easy read. It's a good idea to document this procedure by taking pictures of the vin# before you bolt it back together.

Once these 2 things have been verified, then you know for sure the body is that of a true HURST SC/Rambler factory racecar!

NEVER compromise the location of the vin number. DO NOT weld, grind or sand through any portion of the number. Damage to the vin number will likely effect the value of the car!

True HURST
SR/Rambler
No X not a
SR/Rambler
 
Part 2 - Body Characteristics

Factory assembly line modifications to the body of a true SC/Rambler

* 390 V-8 AMX engine Only the SC was fitted was the 390 cid AMX engine. No other Ramblers would have been factory 390 cars. All SC/Ramblers except for prototypes are fitted with the 390 ci. 315HP, 425 lb ft Torque engines. Because these were designated race cars, routine engine replacements in were fairly routine. The cubic inch displacement is cast into the side of the engine block close to the engine mounts. Original engines should still have their original date code tag located at the front of the right valve cover. The stock value cover was factory SS or Nickle Plated steel and they were not really very shiny. This Tag should start with the number 2 indicating 1969 and the fourth digit should be a W which stands for 390.

* Spot-Welded Engine Crossmember V8 Cross members are different from the 6 cly, so look for signs that it has not been tampered with. The crossmember are bolted in place, but they are also factory spot welded on both sides of the frame rail, to remove one you have to grind the spot-welds off. Short of a rotisserie restoration, you need a pretty good reason to replace the crossmember.

* All SC/Ramblers were 4 speed cars The Borg Warner close ration T-10 four speed transmission with a 10 1/2 in. clutch. Hurst Competition Shifter and T-handle although not all SC's had the same T handle. The third digit of the VIN number on the dash should be "M" indicating manual floor shift. All true SC/Ramblers will have the factory provision in the floor for the shifter. The shifter tower is made from a plastic fiberglass like material and fits the hump on the floor perfectly. The simple rubber boot held in place by a round chrome ring and 4 chrome screws.

* Factory Sub Frame Connectors All scramblers had sub frame connectors, but then so did many other V-8 designated cars and a hand full of 6 cyl cars. I witnessed one a 68- 6cyl rouge that had the factory sub frame connectors, the owner of that car made a scrambler clone car out of it. So don't let this fool you! These sub frame connectors are a section of extra frame factory spot welded to connect the front and rear sub frame together in an attempt to make the car more rigid.

* Crimped Fender Wells Modification made for larger tires, drag slicks! All four wheel wells were modified. I know of one case where someone had replaced both front fenders and almost replaced both quarter panels because he thought it had been done by a previous owner who raced the car.. No kids.. this is factory! All true SC/Ramblers should be crimped.

 

* Riveted Shock Mounting Plate Provision for staggered shocks. All scramblers had this modification done to them but is not specific to the SC/Rambler. Other V-8 models would have done this also. A true SC/Rambler should have this plate in clear view in the trunk.

* Gabriel Air Shocks Installed with just one filler nozzle in the center hump inside the trunk. Note* not all cars were or no longer are equipped with the factory shocks after all these years, but perhaps evidence of the small whole in the trunk might still be there.

* Twin-Grip Differential with Rear Axle Torque Links
The frame will have factory threaded provision for the large diameter bolt on the rod assembly goes through. These Torque links according to AMC parts books are the same as the 68-70 AMX. If they have been removed at some time, you will still see the provision for them in the frame. This is SC/Rambler specific factory application for the 3.54 "Twin-Grip" limited slip differential dana 20 rear end.

* Hood Pins - Provision The installation of chrome hood pins with retainer cables required a small tab welded on the battery side of the rad support because there is not enough material to support the hood pins. This would only be found on a real SC. Also the hood should NOT have the 4 screw holes on the chrome rings. They were fixed with 2 way tape like the Ford Mustangs were.

* Numbers Matching Door Tag Model year 1969 cars will have the VIN tag on the dash fixed with 2 rosette rivets. The last six characters are the sequential numbers assigned to the car when ordered from the factory. There is a second important sequential number that can confirm the production date of the vehicle and is for the most part in correlation to the vin.
See Part 6 below for more more info on decoding door tags.

   
Part 3 - Bolt On's

Items specifically on SC/Ramblers, but are not necessarily restricted just to SC/Ramblers

* Custom Paint Scheme two paint schemes were created A & B. There are a lot of myths about how of each scheme were produced, but you just need to look at the data on the Survivors List to see that most of these myths do not reflect the numbers we see in the registry. Factory advertising would lead us to believe the first 500 were all A Scheme, however just going by the data base the production numbers tell a different story. It is clear that the number of B scheme cars produced was considerably lower than the A scheme. Either Scheme is still only 1 of 1512 factory race cars - EXTREMLY RARE!.

 

* Functional Hood Scoop for Cold Air Induction with vacuum operated metal flapper and air cleaner tub that seals to the hood. And a mailbox fiberglass hood scoop (one of 3 known styles) to finish it off.

* 20 :1 Ratio Manual Steering

* Power Assisted Brakes 4 piston caliper front disc brakes. This is the flat disc style rotors without cooling fins.

* Electric Wipers Typically electric wipers are an option for most AMC cars. The SC/Rambler being a factory race car, the vacuum wiper idea wasn't so good, therefore it is believed that all True SC/Ramblers had electric wipers.

* Magnum 500 Mag Style Wheels Painted blue steel wheel to match the color scheme. Deep dish center caps and brushed trim rings. The original ones do a poor job of covering the edge of the rim. The rims are originally a speckle finish, then they were painted blue so original rims will not have a really smooth finish. Original tires would have been five E70 x 14 Goodyear Polyglas Wide-Tread tires.

 

 

* Heavy-Duty Cooling System Heavy-Duty 3 core radiator, power-flex fan and metal shroud.

 

* SC Rambler/Hurst Badges on front fenders and rear sail panel. Original emblems are made of plastic, chromed then painted. The emblem for the rear sail panel has a natural curve to fit contour of the panel.

* 390 Badges All SC/Ramblers had the AMX 390 badges on the front fenders.

* Blacked-Out Sail Panel Black satin finish painted tail lamp bezels and sail panel. These are unique to SC/Ramblers, They are only painted Die-Cast metal never chromed. All other models had chrome bezels. A true SC will not be chrome under the black paint.

* Custom Grill no chrome - blacked out and without the holes for the Rambler emblem which is left off a true SC/Rambler. Making this a one vehicle one year only grill.

* Thrush Glass Pack Mufflers Performance dual exhaust system. It would depend on where the vehicle was sold as new weather a SC/Rambler had these mufflers or not. Availability and emissions were determining factors. Some Sc's were fitted with headers, but they had poor ground clearance and didn't usually stay on the car long.

* Chrome Exhaust Tip Extent ions

* HURST Mirrors. The SC's were fitted with a pair of Custom Tear-Drop racing mirrors. style like the ones used on the '68/'69 Hurst Olds except they carry their own part number located on the inside of the cone. There is a smaller version of this style mirror but they are perceived to be correct.

* Clear Glass Typically all SC's have clear glass all around including the front windshield with no visor tint.

Part 4 - Interior

* Red, White, & Blue Headrests Custom upholstered red, white & blue headrests on Ramblers' famous reclining buckets seats, known as a Split-Bench. The original head rests were made in small batches which is evident by the material, some have a fine grain while others have a courser grain. The color on the original ones is a darker blue than found on the rest of the color scheme .

* Sun S635 tach mounted with a hose clamp on the steering column, This is the accepted authentic tack used on the true SC/Ramblers, however, we have documented a few Scramblers to have factory warranty with in the first few years and AMC replaced them with something newer.

* Non hash mark Speedo gauge unique to Rogue in 1969 only. This is a one year only for the Rogue, all other Americans had the hash marks around the outside of the numbers. A true SC/Rambler should have the non hash mark gauge.

* Triple spoke plastic wood grain sports steering wheel, not specific to the Scrambler although accepted to be the correct steering wheel for an SC, there are SC/Ramblers to be document otherwise.

 

* All-vinyl charcoal seat upholstery with full carpet. Individually adjustable reclining seats.

* Radio Delete Plate The belief has always been that there was only 1 single factory option available, an AM radio!  There were no other factory order options installed in the assembly line process.  It is believed that all other options had to be ordered as dealer installed options and were limited primarily to the Group 19 bolt on's. Company memos support the statement that there were no options available other than the AM radio and that all performance enhancements had to be ordered through the dealer. However, do not dismiss something out of the ordinary because there are exceptions to every rule! example: Air conditioning.

* HURST Decal Round decal usually in the first cup holder on the inside of the glove box door. Decal has specifications for tire psi.

 
 
Part 5 - Door tag and Build Date Decoding

Body Identification Plate is made of thin anodized aluminum and attached with 4 rosette rivets, located on the driver's door below the latch.

 

SPECIAL

SPEC

88A

00-A

00-00

00

     
 

The tag can be decoded as follows:

 

Body
This is the number assigned to the body as it was being produced. This number is different than the last six digits of the VIN.

 

Model
This identifies the body and trim styles. The first two digits are the year, the third the series, fourth body style, and fifth trim level. Base trim level is often left out (only four digits). Blanks indicate that the body and trim style was not available for the year in question. All SC/Ramblers will have a model number of 6909-7.

 

Trim
This identifies the interior trim style, color, and seat types. The trim code is a four character number that may be prefixed by a "T". The first character is the year, the second the trim level, third color, and the fourth is the seat type. Letters after the numeric code indicate the corresponding seat and fabric types that were available. Special order interiors were available and will have a code of "00".

 

Paint
It is NOT TRUE that all SC/Ramblers have a door tag paint code of  "SPEC" or 'Special'. There are 6 different paint codes used. They appear to be built in batches but the codes themselves are not specific to A or B scheme. The most common being 88A. Stats on the door tags can be seen on our statistics page

 

Sequence
Not to be confused with the vin number sequence. This is the last set of numbers on the door tag and should start with the letter E. This number was assigned to the vehicle as it entered the final assembly line. Cars assembled in Kenosha will have an "E" or "W" preceding the number. This designated the East or West assembly line. Cars assembled in Brampton will have a "B" preceding the number. It is believed that all SC/Ramblers were built in Kenosha.

Car build dates info
Build date
info article
 
Part 6 - Factory Documentation

Build Sheet If your vehicle has a unique option, then finding a build sheet is a major bonus! As it might be the only way to document anything out of the ordinary. There is not enough data yet for any solid answers, but it is a myth among SC owners that this hand written number represents ?/1512 built. If you look at these 2 built sheets one could draw a simple conclusion that the numbers don't correlate with each other.

Notice the vin number and the hand written number are in the other direction unless they were counted off in reverse. I doubt that was the case, because at the time they did not know the exact production numbers. AMC/HURST advertisements stated only 500 expected to built.

Perhaps it just an employee number, the dude at the end of the assembly line that checked to see if the car had all the goodies on the build sheet. That's my guess anyway.

Factory Group-19 Performance Option -Dual 4bl Carb Crossram Many SC/Ramblers were dealer installed with Edelbrock X-Rams originally designed for the SS AMX with 2 DP Holley's. The carbs usually were toned down to a pair of Carters for the SC/Rambler and Rebel Machine. Available 68-69 & 70 both have factory AMC part numbers.

 

Factory window sticker Having the original window sticker is another major bonus. Reproduced window stickers are a nice tough for car shows. The original is valuable for documentation of dealer installed performance Group-19 options.

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